Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby wigwam » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:46 am

AVI Viewings 7/5

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Sure Fire Jon Jost, 1990
FrameUp Jon Jost, 1993

Sure Fire was completely awesome, Tom Blair is great here, even tho it's more one note than his Last Chants and Bed You Sleep In characters, it's so much deeper and scarier and realer in a way, or maybe this is just how i see these salesman/entrepreneur/play-the-game type people. Between this, Bed and Last Chants there's some weird sexist/gender roles kindsa stuff being commented on but it also kinda feels like it's his genuine worldview in a way, more like it's a cry for help from inside instead of looking at it from without/outside :?

FrameUp was difficult for me and i ended up watching it in pieces but it seems very fractured anyways and purposefully shallow and winking and meta, but it's also very annoying and has been done better in other films that take on similar psychological/satirical terrain, but whenver it was unpeopled/non-dialogue scenes it was brilliant stuff (this sounds odd but there's enough of it here to make an impact), i dunno, not to my taste other than just in certain spots
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby james » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:06 am

spot on about the gender roles thing; did you read his reflections on Bed where he says he shot the women in the film at oblique 45-degree angles because that's how he feels they've always acted towards him and stuff? troubled dude
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby Eddie Spaghetti » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:05 am

Sure Fire, Bed You Sleep In, and Rembrandt Laughing are the only torrents missing here. Can't wait to see some Jost though.
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby Ally » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:21 am

saw my first jost today. last chants. the guy was "macho" aka internally wounded so he wanted to hurt everyone else. it sucked. I gave it a generous 4/10. I'm not sure how many more jost films I'll be able to tolerate. I was barely able to tolerate this one. luckily it took a bonnie&clyde spin toward the end. :|
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby (DG) » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:14 am

Last Chants has been downloading for days now... I think I'll like this fellow, just a feeling, if only I could actually watch one...
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby Jake Aesthete » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:05 am

Last Chants for a Slow Dance (Dead End) 80/100

I might have to rewatch Bed to be sure, but right now i'd say Last Chants is the best distillation of Jost's style that i've seen, although it's undeniably rougher than either Vermeers or Bed. The opening shot/scene alone demonstrates exactly what i find appealing about Jost to begin with: the spontaneous, natural, improvised element in the acting, within the framework of an extreme, almost avant-garde experimental formalist shooting style. It also helps here that nearly all of the extended dialogue scenes are really funny and when they aren't they're at least weirdly compelling. The acting all-around seemed better here than in the latter two Josts i've seen too. At times it's a bit rough and amateurish in it's attempts at formalism (the beginning of the long bar scene, and that 15 minute static in the girls room are the two major examples that don't quite work), but to be fair i'm sure the low quality copy doesn't help either. I'd put it somewhere between The Brown Bunny and Linklater's It's Impossible to Learn to Plow... in terms of technical accomplishment, but either way it's a very inspiring film considering it was made for $3, 000. More young American directors could do well by following in Jost's footsteps, i think.
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby wigwam » Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:46 pm

All the Vermeers in New York 4/5

man i dug this shit! i was half expecting to hate it cuz something abt jost's sexism i've been noticing is joining the bug up my ass (the completely hypocritical and self-righteous bug) and, i dunno...

but it turned out to be really great and even addressing the sexist stuff i was perceiving, where - yes - there's def gender-(stereotypical)-specific aspects to these characters, but then there's also an element of them just being persons, and their isnt the domesticity/capitalism - well, there isnt the same ones - and partially thats due to the modern metropolitan type of persons depicted when the other films i've seen are more stuck in middle-american traditionalist kindsa settings/mindsets and thus the sexism is more appropriate there, which seems to be the case (yet still it felt authorial ...or soemthing)

anyways, so this movie was just beautiful and funny and fun and sad and awesome and it looks great (even tho the transfer sorta sucks it seems) and sounds even better and everything is presented with this real art-appreciator's eye and even the dated cheesiness in places fits the naivitee underneath everything, and the little dual-juxtaposition of art and commerce isn't brutally suffocated for its meaning as might the case with similarly central subjects in Bed You Sleep In

so, anyways, probably the best Jost i've seen but i should rewatch Last Chants
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby Ally » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:49 am

all the vermeers was way betterer than last chants, but that's not sayin' much. yeah he's totally sexist. bad jost. :nono:
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby warthog » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:51 am

having confidence problems of late, ally?
he looks like a big bag full of mashed up asshole
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby Ally » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:06 am

not confidence problems, more like olof problems. and even tho it could be way worse, I'd love a bunch of extra money too so I could buy a house in this market, k, thnx!
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby Jake Aesthete » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:22 am

Ally you should watch The Room. Tommy Wiseau has a much healthier attitude toward women than Jost, trust me.
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby Carmelo » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:34 am

:lol: he sure does, a true gentleman.
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Postby Simon M. » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:36 am

:lol: almost as much a gentleman as Lee Marvin in The Big Heat.
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby Ally » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:28 am

I think I'll pass. :?
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby james » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:21 pm

Rembrandt Laughing (Jon Jost, 1988)
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Pretty easily the least impressive acting in any Jost film I’ve seen (it’s completely improvised by his non-actor friends), but it also contains some of his most inventive sequences and shots, and replete with the formal experimentation that I love him for (one stunning sequence of paint-on-film seems directly inspired by Brakhage, and another, a close-up of grains of sand on a glass table, is unbelievable). With the story of a bunch of San Franciscoans (is that the preferred nomenclature?) living and loving and other shit, it falls more into the cityscapes of Vermeers than it does the apocalyptic Americana of The Bed You Sleep In, Sure Fire, and Last Chants. I certainly love the latter films more, though Jost’s treatment of loneliness and isolation finds a suitable home in the lives of art aficionados and blue-collar intellectuals. Perhaps my least favorite Jost so far, but it’s certainly worthwhile. There’s a distinct aura or feeling about it, something unspoken or cosmic or primal. I just wish I was enveloped in it a bit more (I definitely might like it more after a re-watch, there's some fantastic, fantastic stuff...). And this quote from his site explains a lot about what I think Jake was saying about his ambition and ideas overreaching occasionally: "When editing this film, thanks to Jill Godmilow who let me use her flatbed table in NY, she popped in one day to see how things were going, and was shocked when she saw that I was editing the original reversal material (the Fuji 400 I’d bought a lot of), and that when I made a cut, the “out” went not to a trim bin, but into the garbage. Like most filmmakers, simply the handling of original was a virtual sacrilege to her; to edit with it and throw away the outs was heresy. I’d been working like that since 1965 when I shifted from negative to reversal film: cut original, no trim bins, stick with a decision. The same attitude applies to all other aspects - setting up, shooting, directing: have a clear idea, make a decision, and go with it.
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby Eddie Spaghetti » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:17 pm

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All the Vermeers in New York (1990), Jon Jost 8.5

First Jon Jost film I have witnessed really stunned me, since it was so original no matter how simple the film looked from the outset. Jost presents his story; well, it has no apparent narrative center, but what Jost tries to capture is mood and place, and this is what he is succeeded so gracefully. A bit of a plot synopsis: "All the Vermeers in New York" is about three people, two girl roommates, and a stockbroker who falls for one of them. But the film is does not center itself on this scenario, rather it shifts away to moments that are inconsequential to the story. Scenes, about people alienated in either their own apartment room, the place where they work at, or at an art gallery, that are hauntingly beautiful and seductive. Circling around and away from the storyline, Jost does not capture either character development or any psychological whatnot, but he gets the feeling. That feeling of living in a bustling metropolis and yet feeling as isolated as you can be - just check out the scene where the stockbroker meets up with the two roommates at a restaurant, and the two roommates leave hastily due to the fact that the stockbroker is not an interesting man, and then Jost does not show his reaction shot but rather shoots him from the back of the head as he watches the two girls leave the restaurant, then the camera holds and suddenly we can actually feel his sheer disappointment. Through an assemblage of wondrous Steadicam shots, amazing improvised acting, and a real cool score, the film is a like a jazz piece, like the whole story is improvised and not one scene can say just a simple statement but a whole variety of things. That seductive scene when the stockbroker meets the French roommate is a masterpiece of mis-en-scene: we see the girl looking at the Vermeer painting with much concentration, cut back to the stockbroker who seems to be interestedly looking at another painting, then Jost cuts to master shot to show that the stockbroker was actually looking at the French girl. I was, though, very taken aback by the ending which was like the film took a huge spill towards melodrama, and the last narration added nothing to what was already a near masterpiece. But Jost's eye for image and sound to create feeling, and a narrative that relies on non-narrative elements, makes "All the Vermeers in New York" a pretty radical, and even seductive, film to see.

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Frameup (1993), Jon Jost 6

One of the most stylish exercises I have seen in a long time albeit with some of the most reviling and disgusting content that ever was in a love story. I have to praise Jost's style though: how he turns this tale of doomed lovers into bits and pieces, making into twelve fragments once again making non-narrative aspects the filling for a narrative, by using a whole lot of graphics and a mish-mash of playful tricks ranging from super-imposition, split screens, long takes, vistas, title cards, over saturation of film, and an odd utilization of voice over. All the thingamajigs in cinema are roughly applied here in some really radical ways. And to see how Jost experiments with these things is really the main joy in watching this film. Yet, a film with some of the most atrocious acting ever and spoken dialogue always being pornographic, this is surely one nasty film. Yes, the acting was intentional, but why? I do not sense any good reason why Jon Jost would make his two leads act like petrified zombies - just to hear both of them speak, the man talking about "atomic pussy" or the girl comparing her tits to others, becomes monotonous and in moments I just did not want to listen to them anymore. "Frameup" could be considered in this equation: rad style + disgusting content = mediocre film. If Jost had treated his characters with more respect and actually lent some humanity in them, this film would actually be going somewhere instead of wavering all the way down to nothingness.
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby wigwam » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:55 pm

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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby james » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:11 am

the fact that you expect a filmmaker to grant his characters sympathy for your benefit regardless of his goals or intent or philosophy makes me all :|
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby warthog » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:22 am

:lol:
he looks like a big bag full of mashed up asshole
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby Eddie Spaghetti » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:40 am

I ain't sayin' that Jost give sympathy to his characters, rather he should lend them some humanity, coz Ricky and Beth Anne are nothing more than mindless zombies, in that case Jost's philosophy must be really screwed.
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby wigwam » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:20 pm

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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby Sean P » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:51 pm

woo! Jon Jost!!! my first film i saw by him remains his best works hands down in my books, The Bed You Sleep In. just masterful.... Vermeers is great, strange but affecting ending and interesting editing. i hate the low budget though, some shaky camera movements that would've been better if they were smooth. That goes for all his films pretty much, wish he could get more money. Homecoming kinda sucks, amateurish student film to me. Passages sucked but i'm willing to give it another try someday. Frameup is an awesome black comedy. i love the dull monotoneness of it, strangely hilarious. Last Chants is amazing, my second fave Jost. And Sure Fire is good. don't care too see any more of his digital work. Really want to see Slow Moves.

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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby wigwam » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:53 pm

fuck yeah, Sean P, glad ya got over here :salute:

edit this is hirtho from deux
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby warthog » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:54 pm

hirtho?
he looks like a big bag full of mashed up asshole
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Re: Jon Jost, curated by James, MoM July 2009

Postby wigwam » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:54 pm

olfo? dont play dumb! :x
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